Applying to College? Ask these questions to add to your chance of Being Admitted to a great campus for you, Part 4.
Care about the return on investment in your college degree? Consider these questions in order to help increase your college ROI. Things such as time from matriculation to graduation, financial aid, and determining the likelihood you’ll be employed or in advanced training once you graduate are all things you should ask if you want to get your money’s worth.
Part 1 of this four blog series asks if college is the right thing for you? Will your intended degree lead to a job and a lifestyle that will meet your needs? How have your possible colleges managed recent pandemics? Part 2 deals with the campus environment and how it can affect your success. The third set of questions focused on the resources on campuses and how they can impact your success and enjoyment of your time there.
College Search Consultants like me, your high-school college counselor and others can help you answer some of this final set of questions, not to mention those I’ve posed already. Ultimately, you must make informed choices based on who you are and what you want from your college experience if you are to answer the questions I’ve posed in the previous essays — and the questions set out below — as best you can. Generally speaking, seeking outside help of some kind whether from consultants or respected members of your community is likely to give you clearer answers than you’ll get if you “go solo.”
This final set of questions should help you focus your search properly and avoid applying to colleges that are unlikely to help you achieve your goals.
1. What percentage of admitted students never complete degrees/complete them in more than six years? Finding this information out about the schools you’re looking at is important because the more people who don’t finish or take a very long time to graduate, the greater the statistical likelihood you’ll be one of them. Many student dropouts or slow degree earners can indicate the campus has relatively poor advising, financial aid, wellness etc., resources to support you in getting your education and going on to bigger and better things.
2. What percentage of students graduate in less than six years? You need this answered because in many cases colleges don’t give financial aid for terms longer than six years. People eligible for government aid must be aware of this because the Federal Government rarely gives loans or grants for more than six undergraduate years.
The average student needed more than five years to graduate before the Coronavirus struck, with only 62% graduating in six. The unfortunate reality is that students will probably need even more time today. Therefore, paying attention to how long it takes people to earn their degrees can help you decide if one campus or another is the right one for you.
For example, if the average student is graduating in more than five years, there is a greater chance you could lose your aid eligibility if you don’t progress toward your degree at a satisfactory pace than on campuses where the average student is done in less than five years.
3. How much do people with socioeconomic circumstances like mine pay to attend here? Be clear in asking this question, and be as careful as possible in using some of the tools out there that people use to calculate their potential aid packages. After all, almost everyone can qualify for some kind of aid either from the government or via private scholarships. The key thing is what kind and whether it has to be paid back.
You want to try to determine what you can reasonably expect the final cost to you of getting your degree will be assuming your time to degree is about average. Estimated costs for tuition, fees, housing, transportation and course supplies can be very deceptive before figuring in financial aid. Nearly all campuses have tools called net price calculators. These can help you figure out what the cost to you of going there may be. They can be particularly helpful right now as the FAFSA uses your family’s tax information (which may not be representative of your current financial reality) to calculate your aid. The net price calculators can give you estimates based on what your family is making right now rather than what its income was last year when things may have been different for you and your relatives.
As all too many people are aware after the economic disruptions caused by Covid-19, financial aid can make a life-changing difference. Using campus net price calculators may help you figure out what your aid might look like, based on your family’s current economic situation, after you negotiate with any college that chooses to admit you. Don’t be like the people who, a study done by Sallie Mae and Ipsos reports: “about 6 in 10 currently enrolled undergraduate families report eliminating a school from consideration based on cost before deciding which colleges to research or apply to…”
Don’t avoid applying to a school because its pre-financial aid costs seem high. At least one private liberal arts college claims up to ninety percent of families will pay less for someone to go there than they would pay if their child studied on a public four-year campus in their home state. Others make similar claims. Keep time enrolled in mind when you’re asking about total cost since added time actually enrolled on campus to complete your degree, or taking too many classes to get there, may significantly raise the total cost to you of earning your degree. You may even risk running out of some kinds of financial aid if earning your degree takes too long.
Apply for Federal Financial Aid via the FAFSA or Free Application for Federal Student Aid. This may be the most important thing you do outside of applying to college itself! There are convenient desktop and mobile tools to apply for the FAFSA. Nearly half of people who could benefit from applying for Federal financial support don’t, meaning they miss out on billions in public and private loans and grants every year. Not getting that money, which is available to most people if they just apply, makes going to college an even bigger problem for many than it should be.
Don’t be one of those people who doesn’t get the money you qualify for because you didn’t submit your FAFSA!
4. What percentage of this campus’ and major’s graduates are in full time jobs or advanced training six months after they complete their degrees? This is a key question given the amount of time and money you are investing in your education. There is some variation as schools have different mixes of majors and concentrations. In many ways it will be your final major, not the campus you attend, that shapes your likelihood of having full time employment (i.e. a job with “benefits” like health insurance and retirement accounts) after you graduate.
This does not mean you can’t or shouldn’t compare the colleges you’re interested in even though your final major may well not be decided.
Ask how successful young alumni of the campus and of your potential majors are at getting jobs or slots in graduate or professional school. Depending on where you go and what your family’s financial situation is, you may invest close to 300,000 dollars in an education that needs to lead to a job…or more training. Make sure you have the best chance to get return on your investment.
You have to do well in your classes, but if you’re not advised well, or if you’re not in a program that tends to send students onto jobs or advanced training in your area of interest, your time and money may not pay off for reasons you can only partially control. It is particularly important to be aware of external factors like advising at a time when schools are cutting back on investment in career services.
Paying attention to historical tendencies in getting graduates into jobs is important. Given what is happening in our world right now, most people know well the chance of getting a good job out of college is likely to rise or fall sharply at least once while you’re getting your degree. Unfortunately, most prospective students need to balance thoughts about where they’re going to school and what they’ll major in with profound awareness of likely career or training outcomes after they graduate.
The US Department of Education’s College Scorecard can help you do much of this research. There are other tools and resources on my College Search resources page that may be helpful to you in this process.
5. What percentage of students applying to advanced training actually get in? Learning this is important because many schools will say: We have “x” students who apply to graduate/medical/law/business/etc., school each year. They may make it hard to learn what percentage of these students actually get in. if you ask, they should tell you because they usually know.
For example, raw data from the American Association of Medical Colleges has information on medical school applicants by state, college, ethnicity and more. Speaking objectively, if every applicant from the top thirty colleges by number of applications was admitted to medical school, only about a fourth of the places in U.S. MD training programs would have been available for students from the thousands of other colleges and universities in the United States. Logically, therefore, many people from what might be called “large applicant pool” schools aren’t admitted.
In reality, two thirds of applicants didn’t get into any allopathic (MD granting) medical program this year and the numbers for osteopathic (DO granting) medical training may ultimately prove to be worse. Current trends in applications and available seats suggest it is likely the odds won’t get better for allopathic medical schools at the very least any time soon.
So, to have a sense for how you may do when applying to advanced training from the colleges you’re considering, ask what percentage of students who apply for specific kinds of advanced training have actually gotten in over the last five years. The percentage of applicants who get into the kinds of post baccalaureate training they applied to indicates whether students get honest, useful advice throughout their time on campus that actually helps them understand whether applying is likely to work out for them or will simply be a matter of giving money to admissions offices in places where there’s no chance they’ll be offered a spot.
Honest, direct, advice can help students get into schools. It can keep you from spending years and money studying for degrees that aren’t a good fit for you. It can also help you avoid applying to programs you have little chance of being admitted to because of relatively low grades or test scores. It may even encourage you to rethink applications to both colleges and graduate schools where the cost of your training may far exceed your earnings for many years after you graduate. Keep any data you find in mind as you apply and decide where (and whether) you want to go.
As you look at the data you collect, remember that yes, you are likely to change majors while in college, and also that the unfortunate reality is that in many programs, objective advising is not as high of a priority as is ensuring there are enough behinds in classes to keep faculty, staff and advisers in jobs — the optimal outcomes for students being a priority, but not always *the* priority.
6. Am I applying here because I think I can be happy or because I (or my parents) want the school’s name? This question has a lot of levels but it’s an important one to answer. If you apply to big name schools only because they have big names, you may find you’re not as happy or successful there as you will be at a less well-known school (or at some subset of the big-name schools), that fits your personality, interests, views, goals, and needs best. Applying on reputation alone may be extremely tempting…and equally risky. Applying because you know the school has the people, resources, opportunities, activities and environment that fit you best is always the smart move.
A thought for parents: if you’re pushing your child to apply to a place because you want them there for your purposes, not theirs, you risk not acknowledging the gifts and talents of the amazing person you’ve brought up.
If you choose not to recognize who your amazing child is and what campus may fit them best because of who they are and what they’re interested in, they may well not graduate or they may badly underperform because they’re not where your hard-earned money will give them the best chance to succeed based on who they are, not who you want them to be.
IN SUMMARY, some colleges are better at helping their students complete their degrees than others. It’s important to find out how many students don’t complete their degrees on campuses you’re considering. Ask how long it takes the average student to complete their training as this, too, can affect the cost of your education. The cost of going to college can be, and usually is, ameliorated by financial aid. Use the FAFSA Forecaster and “net price calculators” available on most campuses you are considering to figure out how much people in socioeconomic circumstances similar to yours are paying for college. You will often find that, once financial aid is figured in, colleges that appear to be too expensive will cost you less than you (and the people around you) thought.
Remember that campuses are trying to account for the economic disruptions around Covid-19, so if you are admitted somewhere you want to go but can’t afford it based on the financial aid package you are offered, appeal the award, give them the information they ask for, tell them you really want to go there, and cross your fingers — you may get the money you need to go.
Find out what percentage of alums are in jobs that pay them well or if they have been admitted to advanced training six months after they graduate. Colleges have a sense for this. It’s worth asking as relatively low success rates may be an indicator that you should apply elsewhere. If they don’t tell you, or won’t, think again about applying to those campuses.
I am an educational search consultant, consult and speak on improving outcomes in healthcare for people with chronic health needs, a motivational and topical speaker, and more. See the COLLEGE SEARCH CONSULTING page on my website to learn about my work in this area and schedule personalized assistance with your applications. I have rapidly growing sets of hundreds of pointers to material by a wide variety of authors in my RESOURCES FOR STUDENTS APPLYING TO COLLEGE and collection of links to information on COVID-19 AND THE COLLEGE SCENE which, as of fall 2022, there is no cost to access.
